Update from the CEO: Part 1

Since clear communication is very important to me, your post had me go back and check that I wasn’t fooling myself into thinking we’d said something we didn’t. We’re both sort-of right, but that means we could definitely have done a better job of communicating it.

In the Dec 21, 2021 Kickstarter update, I said:

In the Kickstarter You pledged your support a long time ago, and we will ship your rewards with every production run until every pledge is honored. At this time, we can’t commit to shipping rewards and perks before orders. But as production increases we will include more as fast as we can.

This implies our position on orders vs. rewards, but doesn’t explicitly state it. We relied on Kickstarter users understanding what that difference means, and so we didn’t make that explicitly clear in that post.

In our Jan 26, 2022 blog post, in response to the questions that arose from that update, we tried to clarify:

Though we’d love to ship crowdfunding perks first, we have to ship both new orders and crowdfunded perks simultaneously to make production work financially.

Again, we draw a distinction, but don’t explicitly define what that is, again relying on Kickstarter users understanding what “reward” means on that platform. I had extensive discussions with the team about the policy before we adopted it, so we all had a very clear idea of “what” and “why” but it seems we could have done better job making that clear to our backers.

But yeah, it didn’t work out, and we’re not able to ship any more rewards or perks to crowdfunding platform supporters. I don’t think anything I say will make anyone happy about that.

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My python coding skills grew as a direct result of the amazing people whom have been a part of this community. I look forwarding to connecting with these people in the future, and will continue to follow the openvoice project as it matures.

Phil (PCWii)

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DOSS audio? We’re working on adding to the music and audio skills of our Neon OS right now, would love to chat if you have time. clary@neon.ai

Maybe I’m jumping the gun here because this information will be included in Update from the CEO: Part 2 or 3 or 4, but what do we know about the future of your other products, such as Mimic3 and the newly announced Grokotron? I’ve been testing out Neon on my MarkII, and it seems nice. It was easy to get going, but as is often the case the documentation is a bit… opaque.

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So, i bought a MarkII in 2018, i will not get it? What a disappointment. Oh, yeah, reading back i am correct.

@michael-mycroft

When I talk about “orders”, I mean specifically actual orders: purchases through the website starting in 2021. Kickstarter “rewards” and Indiegogo “perks” are not “orders”, as I’ve explained previously.

So the people who helped make this project possible can go and do whatever they want to themself and the people who bought afterwards get their stuff. Great.

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Kickstarter: The End of the Campaign

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aiforeveryone/mycroft-mark-ii-the-open-voice-assistant/posts/3729060

Thank you for trying out Neon, and for the feedback :slight_smile:
Indeed, we’re building out our end-user documentation right now, and contributions as well as feedback are most welcome.
Here are a couple things that might help:

  1. Our public Google drive folder with Skills Guide & Quick Start Guide (comment privileges enabled, Quick Start guide is written to go with our USB boot drive) Neon AI OS for the Mycroft Mark II - Google Drive
  2. Help us build out our online documentation here - NeonAI® Documentation by working in this repository GitHub - NeonGeckoCom/neon-docs: Neon Documentation
  3. Especially if you’re more of a dev user, we have more info on our GitHub and have started using the “discussions” feature as well. Discussions · NeonGeckoCom/NeonCore · GitHub
  4. Lots of dev questions have been answered in our Matrix chat, which is searchable. We’d like to get those organized into an FAQ. https://matrix.to/#/#NeonMycroft:matrix.org
  5. Dev questions are also being fielded in the OVos chats here - https://matrix.to/#/#openvoiceos:matrix.org

For anyone reading and wondering, the Neon AI team are whole-hearted participants in collaborative community efforts.
I feel it’s important I tell you directly that any constructive contribution to our documentation will be met with sincere appreciation. If you’re not comfortable working on it directly in GitHub, I would happily insert the contents of a community-created document that you share with me at clary@neon.ai

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So something that doesn’t seem to have been asked. Ok so you cannot ship rewards to backers, fine. It sucks, but fine. But you are processing orders, so you have products to sell. Will you still have products to sell once those orders are complete, and if so, why are you not accepting new orders from your own backers instead ?

Is the product you are now shipping DOA? Are there literally no more you can even sell to enthusiasts ?

For someone trying to be so clear, you really are making things very opaque.

Based on the support comments here, the product barely works, and based on the fact that their “phone home” main server is down, it’s possible they’re all bricked now.

Since anyone can build a better system for the price of a Raspberry Pi, googling, and a few days of work, I’d be shocked if any “enthusiasts” still exist who would pay for it.

This is yet another way for them to duck responsibility to their backers on KickStarter and StartEngine. They will now claim it’s not their fault that people aren’t buying the $500 junk kits, so of course they can’t do things like refund shipping on the invisible sky wizards they promised us.

there’s a ton they COULD do, if this was a legit operation:

  1. Refund money
  2. Pledge to refund money
  3. At least refund expedited shipping charges since they aren’t going to ship anything
  4. Use any remaining funds to ship the existing products out to backers.

oh but let’s see what they actually do.

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Nothing bricked here.The Mycroft developer team is working on a Dinkum version that does not depend on the server. It is already available on the Beta-Stream (can be configured in your Mark-II device).
As an alternative there are OVOS and NeonAI.

  1. you could have done this for many years with Picroft, Snips, Rhaspy, etc. So what have you been waiting for so long?
  2. You clearly didn‘t try that yourself or don‘t care for a good microphone system with beamforming and noise cancellation - which is the key point of the Mark-II - the SJ201 board does a great job here

I understand you are not happy how the Mycroft campaign went. As an Mycroft investor I have lost here some money, too - that is the risk of any investment. But your baseless claims and your uninformed statements are simply boring at this point…

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This shouldn’t be the risk of an investment where we were told EVERY MONTH that they were on the cusp of finishing the product. Where they put out VIDEOS showing the product supposedly working. But the actual code they were posting online was so far removed from what they showed.

And then we find out it was mostly smoke and mirrors. The founders were pocketing way more money than they were claiming, and two of them were using company funds to run their coffee farm in Hawaii.

So here we are at the end of it and we’re told there’s NO MONEY LEFT. None of the original specs are being adhered to. And if I want anything resembling what I paid for, that I paid to have expediting shipping for, I have to buy a $500 broken device that will only live thanks to third parties.

To answer your questions,

  1. I didn’t wait, I did start putting something together on my own. That’s why I made that point earlier. Not sure how you get “baseless” out of this, since you clearly agree with me.

  2. I think you misread something. I didn’t have any problems with my mic.

I’m extremely happy with OVOS and NeonAI. I can’t stress enough how awesome it is that a third party is picking up the slack.

But I also feel extreme disgust at how Michael Lewis, who claimed he sold his previous companies for over 100M, can’t find the pocket change to refund shipping costs on a non-existent product.

For every ten companies I’ve started, one will turn a profit, one will break even, and the other eight devour any/every resource thrown to them.

It’s virtually impossible to succeed in a project of any scale without deep deep pockets backing you. That’s just how it is.

Others climbed out onto that branch with you. I know how that feels. Letting them down (that’s how it felt to me) is as bad or worse than personal losses.

I’m genuinely sorry this wasn’t your one in ten, but it’s business, and business isn’t kind unless your family’s connected e.g., FTX.

Did this agreement get signed?

Yes, it’s been signed. :slight_smile: More details are on the way, but you may already notice I have moderator status now so that I can help Gez with the forum.

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Yes, it’s official now!

We’ll have more updates on that over time too, but you’ll notice that the Neon crew now have a shield next to their names as they’re now part of the moderation team on these forums.

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